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Have you ever wished to be someone else in order to achieve your dreams? 

It’s not uncommon to think you need to be someone else or get something else in order to get to where you’re hoping to go.  

But what if that’s not true? 

What if you already have everything you need right here and right now? 

What does that idea bring up for you? 

This episode is Part 2 of the earlier part of my conversation with Narrative Change consultant Dr. Hans Hansen which began in Episode 59.    Be sure to listen to it before digging into this episode. 

By the end, he shares a completely new approach to your transformation that will change not only how you think but what you do.  


About my guest: Dr. Hans Hansen is an Associate Professor of Management at Texas Tech, an Embrey Human Rights Fellow at SMU, and author of Narrative Change, the story of how narratives were used to fight the death penalty in Texas. His research interests are broadly related to meaning-making and the methods to inquire into those meanings. Hans specializes in qualitative methods and organizational theory, and his research articles have been published in the Journal of Management Studies, Organizational Research Methods, Human Relations, Organization Studies, Journal of Management Inquiry, and even Law Reviews. Dr. Hansen has held positions at the Kellogg School of Management, Stanford University, Copenhagen Business School, and Victoria University New Zealand. He has consulted for non-profits and Fortune 500 companies, from designing change programs to creating transformational cultures and strong brand identities.


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